I am a good goalie, I coach other goalies. I know how to play but I can't commit to buying good pads since I am a forward who just takes great interest in the position. I have used the pads on a wood surface and they slide good. They just can't do it like my students' pads on ice. It's because the insides are made of like nylon and not leather. Also there is not calf support. It is not good for game use but good enough to try to use them on for a stick and puck.